1 00:00:12,970 --> 00:00:09,470 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:12,980 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:20,610 --> 00:00:16,800 yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan 4 00:00:28,090 --> 00:00:24,820 Richard mmm yeah what number show is it 5 00:00:30,850 --> 00:00:28,100 now let me look does if your calculation 6 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:30,860 today now we're in vice 10 weird based 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:33,770 hang on okay I'll get my calculator okay 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:36,290 thank you your mind Sarah started ten we 9 00:00:40,210 --> 00:00:38,090 saw about two years ago years ago yeah 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:40,220 just add the almost every week just 11 00:00:43,330 --> 00:00:41,690 thought off almost ever pretty much 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:43,340 everywhere too so much I had some more 13 00:00:51,460 --> 00:00:47,450 videos way what number did you get I got 14 00:00:57,069 --> 00:00:51,470 I got 99 now got 101 let's average it 15 00:01:00,460 --> 00:00:57,079 out 100 holy mackerel I don't believe 16 00:01:03,130 --> 00:01:00,470 show 100 on the more beverages we're 17 00:01:06,070 --> 00:01:03,140 here it's isaac we made it hundred 18 00:01:07,450 --> 00:01:06,080 hundred it's like how can that be how 19 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:07,460 can that be we're getting too old which 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:10,580 is pretty well it feels like about show 21 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:13,490 30 it does really it doesn't 100 the new 22 00:01:18,010 --> 00:01:16,000 30 or something like it is now 23 00:01:20,050 --> 00:01:18,020 congratulations Stefan congratulations 24 00:01:22,450 --> 00:01:20,060 to all our wonderful team for all the 25 00:01:24,010 --> 00:01:22,460 hard work or ask members and present 26 00:01:25,810 --> 00:01:24,020 members of the skeptics are amazing and 27 00:01:27,130 --> 00:01:25,820 thank you to all our wonderful audience 28 00:01:30,550 --> 00:01:27,140 for putting up with this for so long 29 00:01:32,170 --> 00:01:30,560 it's unbelievable 100 episodes well of 30 00:01:33,430 --> 00:01:32,180 course I mean yeah some of you might 31 00:01:35,620 --> 00:01:33,440 have missed one or two but that's a 32 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:35,630 pretty good stretch it's not bad that's 33 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:37,520 pretty good it's not bad at the first 34 00:01:44,109 --> 00:01:41,180 100 we might say ah am anymore of many 35 00:01:45,910 --> 00:01:44,119 many many more now what an episode we 36 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:45,920 have to celebrate our 100th episode 37 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:48,170 which coincides with our second birthday 38 00:01:53,859 --> 00:01:50,960 so two years 100 ml says it all comes 39 00:01:56,830 --> 00:01:53,869 together ah we are in a moment we'll 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:01:56,840 crossed back to myself who is in atlanta 41 00:02:00,940 --> 00:01:59,330 georgia with the skeptics own line in a 42 00:02:02,740 --> 00:02:00,950 parallel universe parallel universe 43 00:02:05,260 --> 00:02:02,750 because in the real universe I'm 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:05,270 actually not here right that makes 45 00:02:09,729 --> 00:02:07,250 perfect sense because i'm actually as 46 00:02:12,130 --> 00:02:09,739 this show goes out i'm on the 47 00:02:13,780 --> 00:02:12,140 seventeenth of September I don't exist 48 00:02:15,670 --> 00:02:13,790 because I'm traveling through the 49 00:02:18,340 --> 00:02:15,680 international date line in a vortex in a 50 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:18,350 vortex oh that's good let the go figure 51 00:02:22,750 --> 00:02:20,150 well what a great what a great time to 52 00:02:25,810 --> 00:02:22,760 be alive all sort of honorary member 53 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:25,820 yeah show a hundred well I think we 54 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:27,140 should just get on with it because you 55 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:29,030 know it's just too much exciting i'm 56 00:02:32,050 --> 00:02:30,800 going to lie down everyone else I'm just 57 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:32,060 have to have a cup of tea i'm going to 58 00:02:35,290 --> 00:02:33,770 lie down it's too much for me 59 00:02:37,810 --> 00:02:35,300 but i'm going to just cross now back to 60 00:02:39,250 --> 00:02:37,820 myself in atlanta georgia ah or in the 61 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:39,260 plane on the way there something like 62 00:03:02,259 --> 00:02:53,660 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 63 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:05,300 hard to believe but almost every week of 64 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:07,170 the exception of one week for two years 65 00:03:10,339 --> 00:03:08,760 we've been cranking out the skeptic zone 66 00:03:12,650 --> 00:03:10,349 couldn't have done it with all the great 67 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:12,660 skeptic zone team members past and 68 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:14,310 present lucky enough to have two of the 69 00:03:21,860 --> 00:03:16,680 most active ones with me on this stage 70 00:03:23,330 --> 00:03:21,870 today Kylie Sturgis lovely be here 71 00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:23,340 Richard thank you very much thank you 72 00:03:32,990 --> 00:03:26,489 and of course sitting on my left dr. 73 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:33,000 rachy dr. Rachel Dunlop and some other 74 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:35,730 people some other people and the rest 75 00:03:41,710 --> 00:03:38,370 and the rest will get to special guest 76 00:03:46,339 --> 00:03:41,720 stars will introduce a bit later on now 77 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:46,349 Kylie you put up a fabulous video work 78 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:48,030 very hard to put up a fabulous video for 79 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:49,530 the skeptics are not so long ago about a 80 00:03:54,129 --> 00:03:52,769 week or two ago a little overview of the 81 00:03:57,410 --> 00:03:54,139 past two years including a lot of 82 00:03:59,539 --> 00:03:57,420 traveling Miley we have been busy people 83 00:04:01,039 --> 00:03:59,549 traveling all over the world and you 84 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:01,049 yourself have been everywhere including 85 00:04:04,220 --> 00:04:02,970 Melbourne Perth of course where you come 86 00:04:06,620 --> 00:04:04,230 from you visit the some new south wales 87 00:04:10,190 --> 00:04:06,630 you've come to dragoncon when do you 88 00:04:12,259 --> 00:04:10,200 sleep um I don't know you know it's a 89 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:12,269 line that vampires sparkle essentially 90 00:04:15,650 --> 00:04:13,769 you know they they just have an 91 00:04:18,650 --> 00:04:15,660 Australian accent instead and do podcast 92 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:18,660 so yes yeah I people have enjoyed the 93 00:04:22,909 --> 00:04:20,880 tiny vodkas that we have started to put 94 00:04:25,159 --> 00:04:22,919 up on the skeptic zone and you're the 95 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:25,169 token skeptic and the type one from the 96 00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:27,000 first day of dragoncon here I just watch 97 00:04:30,409 --> 00:04:28,590 is fantastic yes there's two in fact 98 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:30,419 there's one from us lining up in order 99 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:32,940 to actually get entrance to dragoncon 100 00:04:36,350 --> 00:04:34,950 and the second one is the first day and 101 00:04:38,629 --> 00:04:36,360 there should be a bunch of others coming 102 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:38,639 out very soon but yes the skeptics on 103 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:39,960 podcasts are very well known for 104 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:41,610 traveling everywhere everywhere 105 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:44,669 everywhere practically like kangaroos we 106 00:04:47,570 --> 00:04:46,080 just hop all over the place we've done 107 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:47,580 we were born here weren't we in this 108 00:04:51,890 --> 00:04:49,710 very room that they were skeptics on 109 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:51,900 recording began as the tank vodcast and 110 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:54,030 involved yeah yeah I'm facing that way 111 00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:55,889 out of it evolved from the tank 112 00:04:59,839 --> 00:04:57,360 podcaster became the skeptics own 113 00:05:02,089 --> 00:04:59,849 podcast we have presented at a variety 114 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:02,099 of conventions as our ourselves as 115 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:03,340 individuals we 116 00:05:08,159 --> 00:05:05,770 you have taken part in variety of 117 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:08,169 skeptics in the pub I know that you and 118 00:05:14,189 --> 00:05:10,750 Rachel have even taken part in science 119 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:14,199 weekend done lectures as skeptics yes in 120 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:16,510 a variety of places I came to visit you 121 00:05:21,270 --> 00:05:18,760 in Perth last year which has fabulous 122 00:05:23,550 --> 00:05:21,280 where we spoke most dr. Rachel and 123 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:23,560 myself at the University wasn't it both 124 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:25,510 at the University and you helped create 125 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:28,990 perth skeptics which is a small informal 126 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:30,790 group which can be found on meetup com 127 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:32,860 like many other skeptic groups where we 128 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:34,690 get together and just be skeptical and 129 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:36,790 do a variety of activities so not only 130 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:39,340 just outreach but hopefully encouraging 131 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:41,410 people in skeptical communities to start 132 00:05:45,540 --> 00:05:43,120 doing their own projects as well oh and 133 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:45,550 Auckland skeptics hello to the cusp 134 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:48,910 podcast who were inspired by my running 135 00:05:53,250 --> 00:05:51,490 around in the back of a pub wearing a 136 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:53,260 really short dress in a rather cold 137 00:05:58,409 --> 00:05:56,400 climate as I seem to recall and yeah 138 00:06:00,960 --> 00:05:58,419 thankfully there are no photos of that 139 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:00,970 up on flickr but yeah that inspired them 140 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:03,010 to say okay this is what is involved in 141 00:06:08,190 --> 00:06:05,530 podcast we can do the same and the cast 142 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:08,200 podcast is out there and still continue 143 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:10,240 crank out episodes apart from that 144 00:06:15,150 --> 00:06:13,690 dragoncon you've done Tam's rachey has 145 00:06:17,129 --> 00:06:15,160 managed to most of the East Coast I 146 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:17,139 believe in the 90 of elections yeah i 147 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:20,410 have i've done the east coast mmm yeah i 148 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:23,889 mean oh that's why she's awarded the 149 00:06:31,140 --> 00:06:26,410 pink feather boa there's a significant 150 00:06:36,719 --> 00:06:31,150 so Alex you went to ness wasn't it mmm 151 00:06:40,740 --> 00:06:36,729 ah I did Nexus 2009 and I then did 152 00:06:41,810 --> 00:06:40,750 Boston skeptics in the pub and I can't 153 00:06:44,810 --> 00:06:41,820 remember the rest 154 00:06:46,610 --> 00:06:44,820 and quite a bit yeah and I did the 155 00:06:48,110 --> 00:06:46,620 global a theist convention where I was 156 00:06:49,850 --> 00:06:48,120 the sick apparently this may be 157 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:49,860 anecdotal apparently on the second woman 158 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:51,810 to ever introduce Richard Dawkins to the 159 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:54,690 stage yeah the first was Julia sweetie 160 00:07:00,520 --> 00:06:58,250 and apparently she just went back so 161 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:00,530 hopefully I managed to bring a slight 162 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:03,090 Ahmet slightly more decorum to the 163 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:05,010 occasion yeah we must acknowledge that 164 00:07:09,710 --> 00:07:07,650 the work that Carly's done in doing 165 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:09,720 something wonderful for she's had the 166 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:12,060 guts to often ring up people we've been 167 00:07:16,190 --> 00:07:14,190 intimidated to and she scored us and 168 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:16,200 we've all been working very hard to 169 00:07:19,250 --> 00:07:17,430 score great interviews with Kylie 170 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:19,260 especially scored us some wonderful 171 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:22,290 guests in the last two years dr. 'he who 172 00:07:25,850 --> 00:07:23,550 are some of those notable people not 173 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:25,860 everybody but some of them yeah I've got 174 00:07:29,570 --> 00:07:27,930 a I've got a list here but some of them 175 00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:29,580 are in this room there's one just over 176 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:36,870 there George Arab thanks Geo we love you 177 00:07:42,590 --> 00:07:39,090 I'm just going to list off some of them 178 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:42,600 so Bruce M hood has been on once and 179 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:44,910 actually is coming up against soon mark 180 00:07:50,030 --> 00:07:47,490 gray v Roberts dr. ginger Campbell who 181 00:07:53,410 --> 00:07:50,040 is at dragoncon now I was our very first 182 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:53,420 live guest actually she was yeah she was 183 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:55,560 Brian Dunning's been on the show before 184 00:08:01,730 --> 00:07:58,770 and there he is ward with award-winning 185 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:01,740 Brian Dunning Oh dr. Phil Plait who's 186 00:08:06,350 --> 00:08:04,230 not here this year she's busy doing 187 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:06,360 hollyhock alike or whatever that is I 188 00:08:10,340 --> 00:08:08,790 you know Gio when you said that last 189 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:10,350 night that's all we said I don't even 190 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:11,820 know how to pronounce it so we just go 191 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:14,670 holding alkali collect in there anyway 192 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:17,310 dr. Cole crew soleski try saying that 193 00:08:22,970 --> 00:08:20,220 geo Steve novello been radford james 194 00:08:25,490 --> 00:08:22,980 randi Derek and swoopy of course Eugenie 195 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:25,500 Scott Jon Ronson Harriet hall Ben 196 00:08:31,490 --> 00:08:28,650 Goldacre Richard Wiseman Simon Singh 197 00:08:33,170 --> 00:08:31,500 Jamy Ian Swiss is here Joe Nickell who's 198 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:33,180 here Adam Savage who's here george 199 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:35,370 georgiou i said you already a slough 200 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:38,130 Seth Shostak Daniel Loxton Barbara 201 00:08:42,709 --> 00:08:40,410 Drescher rebecca watson Desiree Schell 202 00:08:45,710 --> 00:08:42,719 Michael Marshall from the Merseyside 203 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:45,720 skeptics Stephen Fry professor Chris 204 00:08:50,060 --> 00:08:47,610 French dr. Pamela gay captain 205 00:08:51,210 --> 00:08:50,070 disillusion and many more many many many 206 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:51,220 more but I 207 00:08:56,699 --> 00:08:53,529 I'm sad to say that I have managed to 208 00:08:59,340 --> 00:08:56,709 fail this year I have the diamond get 209 00:09:02,280 --> 00:08:59,350 Stephen Fry and I fail to get you Luke 210 00:09:04,769 --> 00:09:02,290 Perry you did now there's a story behind 211 00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:04,779 that isn't there that Luke Perry was 212 00:09:10,170 --> 00:09:06,100 going to be sitting on this panel 213 00:09:12,059 --> 00:09:10,180 tonight and apparently he had agents 214 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:12,069 said that all know we don't want him 215 00:09:20,009 --> 00:09:17,649 doing it so I'm putting out a reward I 216 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:20,019 mean what interesting strange exotic 217 00:09:26,579 --> 00:09:23,769 kandii lollies new life here you know 218 00:09:28,379 --> 00:09:26,589 much money is he okay i went to the um I 219 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:28,389 went to the Walker phone yesterday and 220 00:09:34,499 --> 00:09:32,290 he's in the building somewhere so if no 221 00:09:36,629 --> 00:09:34,509 it's because of each agents they don't 222 00:09:38,939 --> 00:09:36,639 like us its prejudice against Australia 223 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:38,949 to conspiracy taking it personally and 224 00:09:43,619 --> 00:09:42,250 he's got I it's a conspiracy but 225 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:43,629 nevermind Carly you've done so well 226 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:45,310 especially of stephen fry that was a 227 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:47,889 major score and he was so nice he was so 228 00:09:53,910 --> 00:09:50,290 nice he even recorded separately a 229 00:09:55,829 --> 00:09:53,920 little message just for my mother it was 230 00:09:57,329 --> 00:09:55,839 her birthday right birthday yeah he just 231 00:09:58,889 --> 00:09:57,339 a little message saying because my 232 00:10:04,079 --> 00:09:58,899 mother loves jeeves and wooster i don't 233 00:10:05,490 --> 00:10:04,089 know how many field and so he recorded a 234 00:10:07,499 --> 00:10:05,500 little and she was just thrilled to 235 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:07,509 absolutely thrilled to hear that from 236 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:10,480 one of her favorite characters so this 237 00:10:15,090 --> 00:10:12,970 year we decided to where we spy on and 238 00:10:17,009 --> 00:10:15,100 that's why we got as many wines as we 239 00:10:18,569 --> 00:10:17,019 could possibly manage to get to fill up 240 00:10:19,619 --> 00:10:18,579 the gap if there are any more brian's in 241 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:19,629 the audience could you please come up 242 00:10:24,829 --> 00:10:20,889 here so i can give you mean t wait a 243 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:27,449 that's a dragon con thing is I'll swap 244 00:10:38,830 --> 00:10:29,889 you to Brian's for a look and a gym yes 245 00:10:44,930 --> 00:10:41,750 hold you want lollies they look they 246 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:44,940 look like utter Brian's to go right but 247 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:47,250 now we should introduce our brains 248 00:10:51,020 --> 00:10:49,050 briefly or a very nicely for our 249 00:10:52,850 --> 00:10:51,030 listeners at home of course not for you 250 00:10:55,490 --> 00:10:52,860 lot who saw them walk up and close 251 00:10:59,990 --> 00:10:55,500 things at them we have on the far end a 252 00:11:03,380 --> 00:11:00,000 man who needs no introduction oh yes is 253 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:03,390 it Brian darling Ryan Dunning winner of 254 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:10,170 the PASOK award just yesterday and 255 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:13,680 sitting next to him it's mr. scam school 256 00:11:16,250 --> 00:11:14,880 himself and there's a story i'll tell 257 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:16,260 you later about that Brian brushwood 258 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:22,650 ladies and gentleman welcome Brian's 259 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:24,240 will be hearing but from both of you 260 00:11:28,460 --> 00:11:26,910 shortly but before we get to that before 261 00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:28,470 we get to that through the magic of 262 00:11:44,060 --> 00:11:34,320 computers now it's time for dr. Rachel 263 00:11:48,950 --> 00:11:44,070 reports with dr. Rachel Dunlop change 264 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:48,960 the side Richard very good alright so I 265 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:51,420 I've actually up on screen here got a 266 00:11:54,950 --> 00:11:53,730 cartoon that I hope you can see it was 267 00:11:56,750 --> 00:11:54,960 done by a friend of ours in Sydney 268 00:12:00,100 --> 00:11:56,760 called phillip quinn where he's 269 00:12:04,010 --> 00:12:00,110 portrayed me as some kind of in 270 00:12:05,540 --> 00:12:04,020 superhero going in and attacking people 271 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:05,550 inside you will see that can you guys 272 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:07,530 see it yeah thats by a friend of ours 273 00:12:13,070 --> 00:12:09,210 Phillip Queen from New South Wales I 274 00:12:14,570 --> 00:12:13,080 love this this cartoon strip so I'm 275 00:12:16,070 --> 00:12:14,580 going to give a little quick update on 276 00:12:17,450 --> 00:12:16,080 the Australian vaccination network 277 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:17,460 because I know a lot of people here have 278 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:18,930 been following this story and we've had 279 00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:22,110 a couple of very big sort of wins i 280 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:24,870 guess in the last month or so Richard 281 00:12:30,890 --> 00:12:28,320 yeah you probably recall if you listen 282 00:12:32,510 --> 00:12:30,900 to the skeptic zone that the Australian 283 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:32,520 vaccination network is our anti-vaccine 284 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:35,010 Australia they're kind of the equivalent 285 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:36,450 of the Jenny McCarthy Generation Rescue 286 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:39,510 age of autism people here and they were 287 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:42,090 investigated by the New South Wales 288 00:12:45,620 --> 00:12:44,370 healthcare Complaints Commission for 289 00:12:46,450 --> 00:12:45,630 some of the stuff that they were saying 290 00:12:47,770 --> 00:12:46,460 to parents you 291 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:47,780 they were telling parents that vaccines 292 00:12:52,030 --> 00:12:50,210 cause autism and that vaccines can cause 293 00:12:53,710 --> 00:12:52,040 kids to get all kinds of diseases which 294 00:12:56,110 --> 00:12:53,720 none of us based in evidence or any 295 00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:56,120 science to support it it's all 296 00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:57,620 scaremongering because i don't like 297 00:13:02,410 --> 00:13:00,800 vaccines well they were investigated by 298 00:13:06,250 --> 00:13:02,420 our healthcare Complaints Commission and 299 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:06,260 on the twenty-sixth of July earlier this 300 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:09,410 year there was a public health warning 301 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:11,810 released about the stuff that they put 302 00:13:16,660 --> 00:13:14,570 on their website now this is as you can 303 00:13:19,540 --> 00:13:16,670 see on screen from the New South Wales 304 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:19,550 Government and this warning was spread 305 00:13:23,170 --> 00:13:21,590 around the entire healthcare community 306 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:23,180 in New South Wales and we're very happy 307 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:25,010 about it next door a very happy ending 308 00:13:31,570 --> 00:13:28,310 song and also to the media now this is a 309 00:13:33,460 --> 00:13:31,580 big win because some of you might have 310 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:33,470 heard of a contact called false balance 311 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:36,050 where the media gets somebody in to talk 312 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:39,290 about say vaccines and then they need to 313 00:13:41,950 --> 00:13:40,970 get the other side of the story so 314 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:41,960 they'll get someone from the 315 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:43,370 anti-vaccine ette work to come in and 316 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:45,470 give their side of the story now this is 317 00:13:50,710 --> 00:13:47,570 kind of a little bit like if you were 318 00:13:53,230 --> 00:13:50,720 doing a story on geology or the the 319 00:13:55,090 --> 00:13:53,240 earth and you got in a flat earther yeah 320 00:13:56,740 --> 00:13:55,100 well that that's preposterous you know 321 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:56,750 there's probably like point zero zero 322 00:14:01,060 --> 00:13:58,850 five percent of people believe the world 323 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:01,070 is flat but let's just get them in 324 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:03,680 anyway because when we don't balance 325 00:14:08,830 --> 00:14:07,310 must have balance so that's now changed 326 00:14:11,410 --> 00:14:08,840 in Australia in the last three or four 327 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:11,420 weeks the media is not consulting these 328 00:14:16,540 --> 00:14:14,630 people so much anymore and I have seen 329 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:16,550 some of the correspondence that's gone 330 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:19,040 to media outlets and basically they're 331 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:20,480 being told that they're not to use these 332 00:14:25,510 --> 00:14:23,090 people anymore unless they clearly state 333 00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:25,520 that they are anti-vaccination lobbyists 334 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:27,230 because they previously presented 335 00:14:32,260 --> 00:14:30,530 themselves as experts on vaccinations 336 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:32,270 merrill dory called herself australia's 337 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:34,370 leading expert on vaccinations or she 338 00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:35,870 was referred to as that and she didn't 339 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:38,420 ever dispute that despite the fact 340 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:41,150 Richard mmm that she's got how many 341 00:14:47,770 --> 00:14:44,570 degrees roams with zero I think right 342 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:47,780 and what are her qualifications 20 years 343 00:14:51,550 --> 00:14:49,910 research and she's a mother and she has 344 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:51,560 a brain oh and she has a band that's 345 00:14:56,830 --> 00:14:54,410 what she said so there's been some 346 00:14:57,190 --> 00:14:56,840 really good publicity in Australia in 347 00:15:07,090 --> 00:14:57,200 the 348 00:15:09,610 --> 00:15:07,100 because I know it sounds surprising but 349 00:15:11,890 --> 00:15:09,620 they are a charity which means people 350 00:15:13,630 --> 00:15:11,900 can give them money and you can get you 351 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:13,640 don't have to pay tax on your donations 352 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:15,530 so this is a really big thing for an 353 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:18,260 organization to have charity status now 354 00:15:23,710 --> 00:15:20,330 it turned out that they hadn't been 355 00:15:25,810 --> 00:15:23,720 particularly clever about is that still 356 00:15:28,780 --> 00:15:25,820 working they hadn't been very clever 357 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:28,790 about managing their books or looking 358 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:31,040 after their charity license and in fact 359 00:15:36,940 --> 00:15:34,030 they forgot to renew it for two years 360 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:36,950 from two at thousand and seven till 2009 361 00:15:40,930 --> 00:15:38,450 they kind of forgot to renew it but they 362 00:15:42,730 --> 00:15:40,940 still collected money and donations now 363 00:15:46,210 --> 00:15:42,740 this is kind of against the law yeah 364 00:15:47,740 --> 00:15:46,220 does that surprise anyone here know so 365 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:47,750 they were investigated and they've now 366 00:15:52,750 --> 00:15:50,810 been referred to the Department of 367 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:52,760 Justice in New South Wales and the 368 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:54,950 Attorney General's Department now this 369 00:15:59,980 --> 00:15:57,370 is a big deal this is like serious 370 00:16:02,650 --> 00:15:59,990 potentially jail terms for stuff like 371 00:16:03,940 --> 00:16:02,660 this so that's currently being decided 372 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:03,950 upon and we should find out in the next 373 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:08,570 maybe week or so we're hoping but also 374 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:11,960 recently this happened about Oh two 375 00:16:16,810 --> 00:16:13,910 weeks ago two weeks ago no maybe a bit 376 00:16:19,060 --> 00:16:16,820 more recent than that yeah they also I 377 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:19,070 mean as if this isn't enough they also 378 00:16:22,180 --> 00:16:20,690 decided they wanted to make up these 379 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:22,190 little booklets and sell them on their 380 00:16:25,780 --> 00:16:24,230 website with information that parents 381 00:16:27,580 --> 00:16:25,790 can go to their doctors and say look 382 00:16:31,270 --> 00:16:27,590 vaccines cause autism because this book 383 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:31,280 says so they were photocopying articles 384 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:35,510 from magazines from newspapers they were 385 00:16:39,190 --> 00:16:37,250 photocopying the inserts that you get 386 00:16:41,790 --> 00:16:39,200 with a vaccine and they were selling 387 00:16:46,330 --> 00:16:41,800 them and that kind of breaches copyright 388 00:16:48,250 --> 00:16:46,340 no you think yeah you think so The 389 00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:48,260 Sydney Morning Herald which is the one 390 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:49,820 of the biggest newspapers in Australia 391 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:51,710 did an investigation into this and they 392 00:16:55,750 --> 00:16:53,990 kind of called up the the people that 393 00:16:58,420 --> 00:16:55,760 were published in these publications and 394 00:17:00,430 --> 00:16:58,430 said did you know that yours work is 395 00:17:03,730 --> 00:17:00,440 being sold by these people without your 396 00:17:05,530 --> 00:17:03,740 permission so they had to withdraw these 397 00:17:07,420 --> 00:17:05,540 packs from their website about four or 398 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:07,430 five days ago and they've now got a 399 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:08,870 whole bunch of very cranky people 400 00:17:12,829 --> 00:17:10,230 chasing them saying where's 401 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,839 my money so then it's like one two three 402 00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:14,160 strikes and they're almost out you'd 403 00:17:18,199 --> 00:17:16,140 have to say dr. 80 pretty much this is a 404 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:18,209 photo of one of the packs that they sell 405 00:17:23,539 --> 00:17:21,809 it sells for $27 50 fortunately I had it 406 00:17:25,220 --> 00:17:23,549 with me and the journalists rang me and 407 00:17:26,929 --> 00:17:25,230 I just dispatched it to her straight 408 00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:26,939 away so she could look through it and 409 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:28,799 see where they breached copyright but 410 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:30,390 what you might notice and i know the 411 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:32,700 leases can't see this this is a gary 412 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:35,280 larson comic on the front page of this 413 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:40,080 pack what's that what is the term that 414 00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:46,049 the kids are all using pwned now I don't 415 00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:48,510 know if Gary Larson's people would be 416 00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:51,140 particularly happy to see this 417 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:54,059 considering the sort of pro-science 418 00:17:58,250 --> 00:17:56,910 reputation that he has as well yeah and 419 00:17:59,900 --> 00:17:58,260 this that's interesting you should say 420 00:18:02,510 --> 00:17:59,910 that cake because that was some of the 421 00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:02,520 things that some of the authors raised 422 00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:05,220 objection to mostly was that their work 423 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:06,660 was being used in a manner for which 424 00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,049 they didn't they didn't intend it to be 425 00:18:13,490 --> 00:18:12,000 and I get almost on my screen I can 426 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:13,500 almost make up the price can you see the 427 00:18:17,630 --> 00:18:16,380 price than $27 50 but some of the packs 428 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,640 were selling for up to one hundred and 429 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:20,400 twenty eight dollars each so I mean 430 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:21,750 they've had these on their website for 431 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:23,370 maybe over ten years and that's a lot of 432 00:18:27,049 --> 00:18:25,320 money that they've been collecting that 433 00:18:28,970 --> 00:18:27,059 should have been given to the people 434 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:28,980 that owned the copyright so this 435 00:18:34,340 --> 00:18:31,770 happened on the fifth of September I 436 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:34,350 think there's how this came out or a few 437 00:18:38,030 --> 00:18:35,730 days ago so it's still being 438 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:38,040 investigated but it you know I mean if 439 00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:39,510 you keep doing this stuff you're going 440 00:18:44,419 --> 00:18:41,580 to keep getting caught they just don't 441 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:44,429 seem to learn so it might end up being a 442 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:46,110 bit of an Al Capone kind of case where 443 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:47,970 they get caught for copyright and tax 444 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:50,610 evasion rather than telling parents that 445 00:18:57,500 --> 00:18:52,710 you get autism from vaccines but an 446 00:18:59,090 --> 00:18:57,510 image should be sent to Alcatraz you 447 00:19:00,740 --> 00:18:59,100 know I hope I hope that doesn't happen 448 00:19:03,049 --> 00:19:00,750 in a way because that will turn her into 449 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:03,059 a martyr in a sense and that you know 450 00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:04,650 makes her look like she's taken it for 451 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:07,380 the cause but you just can't keep 452 00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:09,210 breaking the law and for some reason 453 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:10,830 they seem to think that they're just 454 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:14,940 above this you know so yeah that's 455 00:19:18,830 --> 00:19:16,710 that's it for the update there so we'll 456 00:19:19,580 --> 00:19:18,840 keep you posted on that now Kylie just 457 00:19:23,180 --> 00:19:19,590 as 458 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:23,190 I'm side to this you are on the scene on 459 00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:25,799 the scene as it were when I Merrill Dory 460 00:19:31,159 --> 00:19:27,840 the spokesman for the anti-vaccination 461 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,169 network made it all the way to Perth and 462 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:33,600 she even commented on the fact that you 463 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:37,620 were there yes things I do myself I mean 464 00:19:41,899 --> 00:19:39,450 we suffer we suffer for science folks 465 00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:41,909 let me tell you i SAT through the 466 00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,740 entirety of not only Merrill Dora's 467 00:19:48,529 --> 00:19:45,600 lecture but one given by Judy Willimon 468 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:48,539 who is a PhD student at murdoch 469 00:19:52,940 --> 00:19:50,070 university which is not that far away 470 00:19:55,010 --> 00:19:52,950 from where i live both Merrill Dory and 471 00:19:56,659 --> 00:19:55,020 Judy Willimon were very very proud about 472 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,669 the fact that they managed to come to 473 00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:58,320 Perth after their first lecture got 474 00:20:01,970 --> 00:19:59,880 canceled after the church hall that they 475 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:01,980 plan to have it in suddenly developed a 476 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,510 conscious and said we're not having you 477 00:20:07,399 --> 00:20:05,760 come here I believe she was actually at 478 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:07,409 the airport preparing to come to my town 479 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,620 when she was told ya you have no venue 480 00:20:13,789 --> 00:20:12,480 and so she had to cancel but she managed 481 00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:13,799 to find a venue and that was the 482 00:20:21,799 --> 00:20:17,640 alexander library which sadly is a major 483 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:21,809 state library in my my town and is one 484 00:20:25,789 --> 00:20:23,190 of my favorite libraries it's where I 485 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:25,799 did most my university studies when I 486 00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:27,330 was an undergrad so it was particularly 487 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:28,740 disappointing to know that she'd managed 488 00:20:34,279 --> 00:20:32,220 to get a lecture hall there one of the 489 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:34,289 things that we did is a team of people 490 00:20:38,510 --> 00:20:36,510 mostly over the Internet not only locals 491 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:38,520 in my town but thanks to a lot of 492 00:20:43,460 --> 00:20:40,049 support over the eastern states as well 493 00:20:45,289 --> 00:20:43,470 we started taking steps our first step 494 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:45,299 of course was to contact the library 495 00:20:49,370 --> 00:20:47,730 contact health ministers contact the 496 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:49,380 shadow cabinets of health ministers and 497 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:50,580 say this is what's going on can you 498 00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:52,980 please do something about it the library 499 00:20:56,180 --> 00:20:55,080 was steadfast they said as far as we're 500 00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:56,190 concerned this is a matter of free 501 00:20:59,630 --> 00:20:57,539 speech and they are allowed to have this 502 00:21:01,340 --> 00:20:59,640 room and use it for whatever they want 503 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:01,350 which was funny cake because if I was 504 00:21:04,399 --> 00:21:02,970 the Ku Klux Klan would I be able to get 505 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:04,409 a room at the library do you think they 506 00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:05,970 didn't want me call me about come on 507 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:10,740 yeah now that was the first step now we 508 00:21:15,289 --> 00:21:12,809 were fully aware that this might fail so 509 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:15,299 the second step is to accept that ok 510 00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:17,220 they may actually turn up here so what 511 00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:19,470 do you do next you coordinate Flyers you 512 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,350 start finding information in order to 513 00:21:25,340 --> 00:21:23,520 hand this out to people who are going to 514 00:21:27,470 --> 00:21:25,350 be attending you contact the media you 515 00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:27,480 tell them what's going on The West 516 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:29,220 Australian newspaper interestingly had 517 00:21:32,190 --> 00:21:31,320 two different aspects one they did run 518 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:32,200 some sort of 519 00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:34,090 critical stories about it but they also 520 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:36,190 had a large front page paper of a happy 521 00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:38,260 mum holding a smiling baby proudly 522 00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:39,700 saying that her child was free of 523 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:44,200 vaccine so we saw that as a bit of a a 524 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:47,769 backwards step here so that didn't one 525 00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,070 of the tactics they use to gain sympathy 526 00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,679 was say but we had to apply a security 527 00:21:57,090 --> 00:21:55,360 guard to keep the battle yes situation 528 00:21:59,039 --> 00:21:57,100 yeah Carly carly was responsible for 529 00:22:00,930 --> 00:21:59,049 them spending a thousand dollars on two 530 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:00,940 security guards because he was causing 531 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,190 trouble actually actually Carly the 532 00:22:10,649 --> 00:22:07,840 prices first of all started at two 533 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:10,659 hundred yes her security guy it was like 534 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:17,110 a record a 700 David yeah I I would 535 00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:18,850 employ three security guards if I knew 536 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:20,830 carly was coming to bust my game mitis 537 00:22:24,779 --> 00:22:22,210 you know you know what she was doing she 538 00:22:29,009 --> 00:22:24,789 was live blogging that's really scary I 539 00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:29,019 weapon ladies a job and I didn't even 540 00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:31,720 hit her with it now this is a great 541 00:22:36,899 --> 00:22:34,240 example and I must publicly acknowledge 542 00:22:39,299 --> 00:22:36,909 and really thank the work of Kylie a 543 00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:39,309 nurse and dr h e2 and and all the people 544 00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:41,740 out there who've been actively doing 545 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:45,100 something about this danger in our 546 00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,190 society and I hope through these lovely 547 00:22:51,779 --> 00:22:50,080 ladies on stage through their example 548 00:22:59,950 --> 00:22:51,789 other people have been motivated to sort 549 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,200 and if you have to thank Ken MacLeod 550 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:04,400 especially as well Richard of course 551 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:06,130 there are many other people out there 552 00:23:11,470 --> 00:23:09,530 however that was an interesting dr. 553 00:23:13,630 --> 00:23:11,480 Reggie and Kylie thank you very much 554 00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:13,640 let's move on to the show with our very 555 00:23:19,210 --> 00:23:16,520 first guest here on show 100 it's none 556 00:23:28,330 --> 00:23:19,220 other than pasok award-winning podcaster 557 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:28,340 and good friend mr. Brian Dunning Brian 558 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:29,930 we should point out first of all that 559 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:31,910 you didn't win the entire passage you 560 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:33,950 did win the category of the fact behind 561 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:38,630 the fiction wait what it took him down a 562 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:43,640 peg get our panties in a bunch any award 563 00:23:48,370 --> 00:23:45,500 I was proud of it I was happy for a 564 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:48,380 short time but thank you pretty good for 565 00:23:56,770 --> 00:23:55,420 business need to be described for the 566 00:23:59,920 --> 00:23:56,780 people listening to an audio podcast 567 00:24:02,590 --> 00:23:59,930 it's a it's a jeweled little trophy 568 00:24:09,130 --> 00:24:02,600 thing it's gold encrusted yeah thank you 569 00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:09,140 titanium made 16 feet tall Australia we 570 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:11,300 had to break the ceiling in order to get 571 00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:13,130 it into this contract was difficult I 572 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:14,240 don't know are you going to get there 573 00:24:18,550 --> 00:24:16,490 except very angry at us year but no well 574 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:18,560 deserved Brian because I'm sure a lot of 575 00:24:23,020 --> 00:24:20,330 the people in this room is certainly a 576 00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:23,030 lot of listeners of the skeptic zone 577 00:24:26,290 --> 00:24:24,920 would be listening to sceptile keep 578 00:24:28,570 --> 00:24:26,300 playing your ads I hope they're bloody 579 00:24:30,490 --> 00:24:28,580 listening to skip do it I learned a 580 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:30,500 great deal in fact Rachel and I were 581 00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,510 lucky enough to attend a life took by 582 00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:35,840 Brian over in the pillar in the hyatt in 583 00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:37,460 the basement why don't one of the other 584 00:24:41,890 --> 00:24:39,980 places about the lost cosmonauts that 585 00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:41,900 was fascinating to see you on almost a 586 00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:44,600 skip tied with pictures that's what it's 587 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:46,100 more than a schedule i did i did a 588 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,720 regular episode about the missing 589 00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:49,760 cosmonauts which are about a series of 590 00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:51,800 audio recordings made by a couple of 591 00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:53,240 Italian brothers during the early days 592 00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:54,790 of the space race where they recorded 593 00:25:01,570 --> 00:24:57,710 the radio transmissions of Soviet and 594 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:01,580 American space flights and the show that 595 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:03,050 I the live show that I do is about that 596 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:04,970 it takes it a further step we don't just 597 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:06,650 show that these recordings are not in 598 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:08,690 fact of actual space flights but we 599 00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:10,130 actually do our best to explain what 600 00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:11,540 they actually are which was something 601 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:13,220 goes beyond the scope of what we could 602 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,760 do in the little 603 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:15,200 in the little ten minute podcast and so 604 00:25:20,410 --> 00:25:16,550 it's it's really fun it's interesting 605 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:20,420 what an audio of this Russian woman from 606 00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:24,050 1961 recorded by the Italian brothers 607 00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:26,780 yes at the time and it's been a big 608 00:25:31,540 --> 00:25:28,220 mystery ever since because the audio 609 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:31,550 recording is so bad so the myth grew up 610 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:34,310 that it was actually a Soviet cosmonaut 611 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:36,920 lady Soviet cosmonaut who was perishing 612 00:25:41,170 --> 00:25:38,930 as a craft was coming back into the 613 00:25:43,930 --> 00:25:41,180 atmosphere and bursting into flames yes 614 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:43,940 yeah heart-rending uh kind of wailing 615 00:25:48,970 --> 00:25:45,740 and complaining by her saying you know 616 00:25:51,250 --> 00:25:48,980 please please help me I'm no nobody's 617 00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,260 talking to me I'm burning up I'm 618 00:25:54,730 --> 00:25:53,360 reentering it goes on and on and on for 619 00:25:57,850 --> 00:25:54,740 some four and a half minutes it's a 620 00:25:59,410 --> 00:25:57,860 really quite it's quite something until 621 00:26:00,970 --> 00:25:59,420 you get your own Russians to actually 622 00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,980 translate what it really says then it's 623 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:03,200 much less interesting but I wouldn't 624 00:26:09,070 --> 00:26:04,520 give that away you've got to come see 625 00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,080 the show well I'm not going to tell 626 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:11,360 anybody what are the other interesting 627 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:14,570 skip towards that you've done brian is 628 00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:17,420 the Georgia Guidestones yes and we were 629 00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:19,940 very lucky yesterday or the day before 630 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:22,820 to actually get to visit them Blake 631 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,190 Smith or a doctor Atlantis I know if 632 00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,440 he's here he was very kind to drive us 633 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:29,840 all the way up to the Georgia 634 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:31,250 Guidestones and you can see on the map 635 00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,920 here that there well it was I don't know 636 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:35,360 how many kilometers it was but it was 637 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:37,850 the three 3 hours 3 hours as the crow 638 00:26:43,690 --> 00:26:41,870 flies it's 91 miles 91 miles care and as 639 00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:43,700 the road lies yeah but we didn't go that 640 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:47,120 way go that way it's about a hectare in 641 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:53,090 size way several bushels how many 642 00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:57,050 millimeters tall is it that it was yeah 643 00:27:01,810 --> 00:26:59,450 they were built in nineteen eighty and 644 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:01,820 they're kind of it's called america's 645 00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:03,770 stonehenge which is a somewhat of an 646 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:05,270 exaggeration other we've got a picture 647 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:07,370 of it great and as you can see there's 648 00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:09,410 carvings on the on the sides of the 649 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,390 stones there's four main stones in each 650 00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:13,520 one as two sides they're kind of like 651 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:16,700 two thousand one size obelisks and it's 652 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,780 the same thing written in eight 653 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:20,240 different languages and I won't read all 654 00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:21,890 of them but they're basically the kind 655 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:23,900 of these ten guiding thoughts they're 656 00:27:27,370 --> 00:27:26,210 called in the first three or maintain 657 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:27,380 humanity under five 658 00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:30,950 million guide reproduction wisely read 659 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:33,500 between the lines there and unite all of 660 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:35,930 humanity with a new language so it's 661 00:27:38,860 --> 00:27:37,010 kind of creepy and it's something that 662 00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:38,870 definitely appeals to all the new world 663 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:41,030 order Illuminati conspiracy theorists 664 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:44,150 and so since people think these are 665 00:27:50,530 --> 00:27:47,990 either conspiratorial or satanic or or 666 00:27:51,850 --> 00:27:50,540 what have you they tend to get 667 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:51,860 vandalized you can see in that picture 668 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:53,450 this one has had this one's been 669 00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:55,250 splashed with a can of what turns out to 670 00:27:59,650 --> 00:27:57,860 have been polyurethane which dries very 671 00:28:01,600 --> 00:27:59,660 hard and it's very difficult to remove 672 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:01,610 and they tried to remove and it kind of 673 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:03,290 permanently defaced the stone which is 674 00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:05,210 too bad because they were expensive and 675 00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:06,440 they're very cool I mean it's a neat 676 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,120 thing to go and see and someone spent a 677 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:09,440 lot of money on it and it's their own 678 00:28:13,450 --> 00:28:10,850 private thing and nobody's got a right 679 00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:13,460 to come up and destroy it but it was 680 00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:16,100 very cool to go see it's on was it the 681 00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:17,150 highest point in the state of the 682 00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:19,190 highest point the county eyes point in 683 00:28:23,980 --> 00:28:21,740 the county it's a pretty weak state if 684 00:28:27,370 --> 00:28:23,990 that's the highest point then nothing 685 00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:27,380 nothing nothing he'll Jordan just wasn't 686 00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:29,300 a lot but actually we got there just as 687 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:30,740 the Sun was setting so in fact it was 688 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:32,690 really stunning because as the Sun was 689 00:28:37,690 --> 00:28:35,390 going down but it kind of created all 690 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:37,700 this color around the the stones and 691 00:28:41,770 --> 00:28:39,250 made it look even more ethereal and 692 00:28:43,870 --> 00:28:41,780 illumination illuminated a chem trail 693 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:43,880 now this is that now this is the thing 694 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:45,890 because I don't know if people know this 695 00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:49,370 but it is thought that the guide stones 696 00:28:53,380 --> 00:28:51,470 were created by the Illuminati and that 697 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:53,390 within those eight stones and the 698 00:28:58,180 --> 00:28:55,370 different languages is encoded that the 699 00:28:59,860 --> 00:28:58,190 new world order is coming the Illuminati 700 00:29:01,810 --> 00:28:59,870 is going to take over the world and 701 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:01,820 that's of course associated with 702 00:29:04,930 --> 00:29:03,260 conspiracy theories and that includes 703 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:04,940 things like chemtrails and guess what 704 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:07,010 happened when we were there this is a 705 00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,910 real picture you can see there is the 706 00:29:15,730 --> 00:29:12,320 Sun setting in the back there and 707 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:15,740 there's a chemtrail people so incidents 708 00:29:24,340 --> 00:29:18,470 what I think so this is not a 709 00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:24,350 coincidence so we also and so here we 710 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:28,070 are I think this was supposed to be our 711 00:29:32,820 --> 00:29:30,450 ghost hunters picture so 712 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:32,830 Blake's cut him in the front here and 713 00:29:37,890 --> 00:29:34,690 I'm trying to look you guys are such 714 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:37,900 poses about the feder bombers I know 715 00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:39,190 what I think you're funny about this 716 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:40,990 picture is that Richard myself and Blake 717 00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:42,490 we all look the part I think and look at 718 00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:45,880 these pretty boy I mean what is he 719 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:47,920 pretending to be a toothpaste of 720 00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:53,640 medicine it's like you got photobombed 721 00:29:59,460 --> 00:29:55,900 you know what it is like we got 722 00:30:06,260 --> 00:29:59,470 photobombed actually the mystery Brian 723 00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:08,730 let's get a parsec school they wanna 724 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:12,430 bash it let's get to the hub then let's 725 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:13,960 get to the nub the hub of this whole 726 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:17,200 thing Brian where did these stones come 727 00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:20,200 from who did it who did it the aliens 728 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:23,380 nah that's good enough for me yeah and 729 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:25,660 no I was a guy called Finley wasn't it 730 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,710 yes there well I think that's a that's a 731 00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:31,840 whole story in itself as who who 732 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:33,670 actually built these things the story is 733 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:36,730 that a gentleman named mr. Christian who 734 00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:39,070 it was a pseudonym he explained he 735 00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:41,470 showed up at this granite finishing 736 00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:44,470 company and had presented them the plans 737 00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,540 of what he wanted them to build then he 738 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:49,120 went to a banker in town and it got the 739 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:51,010 money from this banker and he asked 740 00:30:54,450 --> 00:30:52,900 those two guys to please only correspond 741 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:54,460 between themselves and and he was going 742 00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:55,510 to step out of the picture and 743 00:31:00,960 --> 00:30:59,290 disappeared so his his his identity has 744 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:00,970 been a closely guarded secret the 745 00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:03,250 gentleman who erected the stones mr. 746 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,140 Fendley he's passed away and he took any 747 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:06,640 secrets he may have had with him I 748 00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:08,440 actually spoke with his daughter before 749 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:11,020 we went she still lives in the area is 750 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:12,910 very friendly she wanted to come meet us 751 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:15,190 there but we had a scheduling conflict 752 00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,710 she couldn't make it but she did tell me 753 00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:18,880 a little bit about that a little bit 754 00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:19,990 more about her dad it was quite 755 00:31:24,170 --> 00:31:21,820 interesting and she doesn't have any 756 00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:24,180 deep dark secrets that that nobody knows 757 00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,100 she told me so I believe her for snide 758 00:31:33,050 --> 00:31:28,640 wipe 759 00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:33,060 oh yes he it was she was going to come 760 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:34,980 meet us at shame she couldn't come Brian 761 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:37,650 bed um yeah they do they also have known 762 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:39,930 as the Stonehenge of of the South aren't 763 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:42,510 they so America's stone America 764 00:31:45,740 --> 00:31:44,250 Stonehenge Stonehenge of the South 765 00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:45,750 that's that's kind of like spinal tap 766 00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,260 it's kind of cool so yeah speaking of 767 00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:51,720 spinal tap I mean when we first drive up 768 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:53,340 to them I was because I've read about 769 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:54,870 them too and I've studied them and I was 770 00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,490 expecting to see something like 771 00:31:59,780 --> 00:31:58,080 Stonehenge I've been to Stonehenge in 772 00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,790 its its imposing it's big it's 773 00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:02,340 impressive looking structure and they 774 00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:04,380 from the road before you turn off to 775 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,540 guide stones road they do look pretty 776 00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:09,120 small and so I did get that image in my 777 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:16,400 head of you know when they order oh yeah 778 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:19,650 I mean you can see from here that they 779 00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:20,970 are bigger than that but from the road 780 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:23,040 they look a little bit small so yeah I 781 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:24,690 did get a blue a little bit a bit of a 782 00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:26,730 spinal tap flashback I get in comments 783 00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:28,110 on Twitter ammo at the moment about 784 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:32,220 chemtrails I just noticed what's the 785 00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,370 conspiracy now I wonder yeah no that was 786 00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,380 a really interesting little break first 787 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:39,840 get out of Atlanta little bit in class 788 00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:44,640 at least 26 waffle houses yeah and well 789 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:46,200 is it eight and half of them you're not 790 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:48,210 gonna you're not gonna hear me bag or 791 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:50,130 not the Waffle House I had waffles and 792 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:53,730 they were great we we went to the waffle 793 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:56,130 house with dr. atlantis and he sat down 794 00:33:02,060 --> 00:32:58,410 and he ordered something and to me it 795 00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:02,070 sounded like the visitor brothers its 796 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,870 hash brown oh the man has ordered before 797 00:33:10,790 --> 00:33:07,200 a waffle house man you smothered covered 798 00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:10,800 fried slice yes I can rub it down yeah 799 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:12,990 and the waitress a waiter said okay fine 800 00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:15,480 i thought no he's rang her before and 801 00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:16,950 said i'm just gonna say all this 802 00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:20,820 nonsense you say fine so how does it go 803 00:33:23,510 --> 00:33:22,440 Brian brushwood scattered chopped what 804 00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:23,520 it all yeah i thought i was like 805 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:26,160 scattered chopped pride had sex with 806 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:33,020 diced meist something else chunked sly 807 00:33:38,409 --> 00:33:35,490 star and yet but when you say it faster 808 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:38,419 sounds like good morning in Australia 809 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:42,210 now getting uh and at least twice as 810 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:44,130 many Baptist churches I think along I 811 00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:46,770 think so yeah well we did go to Madison 812 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,419 County and I didn't see a bridge though 813 00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:51,120 oh no well I did see a bridge but it was 814 00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,559 concrete it wasn't as impressive as the 815 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:54,659 one in the movies better now to wrap it 816 00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:56,850 up Brian Dunning can you tell us a 817 00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,159 little bit about your endeavors which 818 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:00,960 I'm sure we all appreciate I really 819 00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:06,000 enjoy anyway on the video front oh boy 820 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:07,740 there's lots of endeavors their will in 821 00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:09,690 fact and things I talk about the clean 822 00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,210 yeah in fact was a video series a 823 00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:22,500 three-minute video series I was there's 824 00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,990 a lot more viewers for video than for 825 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:27,240 audio podcast on the internet there's a 826 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:29,010 lot more viewers for video than view is 827 00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:31,050 40 do very few people view their audio 828 00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:32,940 podcast it turns out people have had a 829 00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:36,060 lot of trouble doing it so I make the 830 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:37,889 main issue is you can't have a clickable 831 00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:40,409 add in an audio podcast you need to put 832 00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:41,940 something in a browser that people can 833 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:43,470 be forced to click on you can do much 834 00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,210 better characterization of your audience 835 00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:46,980 for advertising and so all of the 836 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:51,480 investment is in video right now mostly 837 00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:53,730 in audience characterization 838 00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:55,619 infrastructure and technologies like 839 00:35:00,079 --> 00:34:58,380 that and so I thought gee you know I'm I 840 00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:00,089 should really do a video podcast version 841 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:04,800 of sceptile so I committed to do 13 842 00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,570 episodes I call it a season I don't know 843 00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:09,119 why but I do that's what everyone does 844 00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:11,849 even though that means makes no sense so 845 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:14,040 I made 13 actually I've made 12 of them 846 00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,510 so far as some people may have heard I 847 00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:17,280 had a bit of a hard drive issue with 848 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:18,780 number 13 but that's resolved and it's 849 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:21,810 coming and they are three minute just 850 00:35:26,570 --> 00:35:24,750 about three minute 22nd versions of some 851 00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:26,580 of the most popular of these sceptile 852 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:29,640 episodes and I put them out there and 853 00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:31,650 we're going to see see what they can do 854 00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:34,230 if they can generate enough revenue with 855 00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,270 either there's embedded advertising and 856 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:39,599 some of them some of them are on excuse 857 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:41,730 me some of them are on just a regular 858 00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,930 you can get it just as regular video 859 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:45,119 podcast through itunes and that's 860 00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:46,770 donation supported so it's kind of got 861 00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:48,300 all the different revenue models that 862 00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:51,270 exist on different different places 863 00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:53,940 where i eat you yeah it's on youtube 864 00:35:58,520 --> 00:35:56,310 yeah so the website to go to is in fact 865 00:36:02,480 --> 00:35:58,530 video com oh thank you see I'm terrible 866 00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:02,490 at marketing in fact video com yes and 867 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:08,040 it over it's my commission become not 868 00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:13,290 yet in fact video.com that's the website 869 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:15,030 to go to and there he is we're just 870 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:16,170 having a little look at him on the 871 00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:19,650 screen here each presenting his how long 872 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:20,820 they go for a couple of minutes and they 873 00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:22,470 get the three about three minutes and 874 00:36:26,090 --> 00:36:24,750 went yams yeah by the way I got caught 875 00:36:28,070 --> 00:36:26,100 up on all this kept I on the drive down 876 00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,080 we drove 17 and a half hours from Austin 877 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:30,480 Texas here and knowing that I'd see 878 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:32,550 Brian I got caught up on the skeptics oh 879 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:35,010 my god are they so good and it's so 880 00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:36,450 important you do such a good job of 881 00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:38,550 condensing everything down keeping a 882 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:40,500 bite-sized sticking to what really 883 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,930 matters you you eliminate all the chaff 884 00:36:51,849 --> 00:36:45,119 out of it I'm blown away I absolutely 885 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:53,720 does this mean I'm gonna have to say 886 00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:55,050 that I enjoyed your magic show last 887 00:37:00,140 --> 00:36:58,500 night with your lie what a great segue 888 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:00,150 ladies and gentlemen to introduce 889 00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,560 now let me tell you a story in january i 890 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:11,880 found myself on a flight to visit brian 891 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,130 dunning as it happens and I was flipping 892 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:16,320 through the entertainment on the on the 893 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:19,410 aircraft and suddenly up came scam 894 00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,710 school yeah look you must reply a virgin 895 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:24,660 america right yeah yeah so I took a 896 00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:26,490 photograph and tweeted it and I think 897 00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:27,990 you were quite oh yeah I know what 898 00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:30,420 listen you will never ever get a pouty 899 00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:32,070 response when somebody says look I saw 900 00:37:36,329 --> 00:37:33,420 you on the TV and they know they're like 901 00:37:38,249 --> 00:37:36,339 oh crap you saw me again 902 00:37:40,979 --> 00:37:38,259 I'm very flattered of course that's all 903 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:40,989 so are you kidding I love scat you guys 904 00:37:47,249 --> 00:37:45,729 familiar scam school there we go and you 905 00:37:49,170 --> 00:37:47,259 never have to buy another drink in your 906 00:37:50,789 --> 00:37:49,180 life that's right you know what's funny 907 00:37:52,109 --> 00:37:50,799 is at some point you feel really guilty 908 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:52,119 and I've got to the point now where I 909 00:37:55,319 --> 00:37:53,890 insist on paying for all my tricks I 910 00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:55,329 might no really please let me buy my 911 00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:57,460 drink now the one I saw was it was a 912 00:38:00,599 --> 00:37:59,380 fabulous 1 i've done it ever since it's 913 00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:00,609 worked so well it's where you get a 914 00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:02,829 little bag of sugar that you find in 915 00:38:06,690 --> 00:38:04,509 restaurants and you carefully tear it 916 00:38:08,849 --> 00:38:06,700 open take the sugar out place it on the 917 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:08,859 table and you put your arm down you go 918 00:38:12,959 --> 00:38:10,450 kill you should pretend to shoot it and 919 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:12,969 it falls over yeah now they can't do and 920 00:38:17,219 --> 00:38:15,609 they can't do it's it's just brilliant I 921 00:38:18,989 --> 00:38:17,229 don't tell you how it's done I'm so glad 922 00:38:20,459 --> 00:38:18,999 to hear you say that because that's one 923 00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:20,469 of the things we try to do a scam school 924 00:38:25,529 --> 00:38:22,630 is we try to make it something that that 925 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:25,539 despite all your your sensibilities that 926 00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,640 say you should just enjoy it for what it 927 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:30,160 is I want it to be stuck in your mind 928 00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:32,170 like a barb so that three hours later 929 00:38:35,069 --> 00:38:33,670 when you find yourself out of the bar 930 00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:35,079 with your friends you're like all right 931 00:38:39,089 --> 00:38:36,940 I gotta try this and just just to see if 932 00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:39,099 it works and I'm so gratified to find so 933 00:38:43,709 --> 00:38:40,630 many people who would never be caught 934 00:38:46,229 --> 00:38:43,719 dead visiting a magic site or learning a 935 00:38:47,579 --> 00:38:46,239 magic trick on purpose trying the stuff 936 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:47,589 out on their friends and often times 937 00:38:50,999 --> 00:38:49,150 actually having at work although I'm 938 00:38:52,319 --> 00:38:51,009 just as interested in all the failure 939 00:38:54,209 --> 00:38:52,329 stories so make sure to send those to me 940 00:38:57,209 --> 00:38:54,219 yeah actually he's failed a few times 941 00:38:59,849 --> 00:38:57,219 Brian I've seen image at skeptics in the 942 00:39:01,920 --> 00:38:59,859 pub he does fail sometimes but but you 943 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:01,930 know that one yeah you have fun Brian 944 00:39:05,579 --> 00:39:04,210 correct me it doesn't work one hundred 945 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:05,589 percent of the time well it's a skill 946 00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:07,210 it's a skill it's a skill thing and it's 947 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:09,430 also environmental because every bar is 948 00:39:12,509 --> 00:39:10,690 different every setup is different and 949 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:12,519 you learn real quick where it mostly 950 00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:14,049 works where doesn't that's it's 951 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:15,489 important for that particular scam which 952 00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:16,569 none of you know what we're talking 953 00:39:20,819 --> 00:39:19,390 about partners for a moment like it 954 00:39:22,979 --> 00:39:20,829 might fail but yeah definitely check it 955 00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:22,989 out it's called the static shot you can 956 00:39:27,809 --> 00:39:25,839 find a big Sean yeah google website is 957 00:39:29,309 --> 00:39:27,819 of course oh well my website is that she 958 00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:29,319 would calm but if you go to scam school 959 00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:31,479 TV you can see all the episodes back to 960 00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,460 episode 1 and we're like I get triple 961 00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:35,400 digits like you guys round to an episode 962 00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,770 there are so many great gags and 963 00:39:48,190 --> 00:39:46,640 routines on scam school because she way 964 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:48,200 I mean if you were dishonest you could 965 00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:50,690 scam somebody i guess but i love the the 966 00:39:54,910 --> 00:39:52,700 static shot one especially yeah because 967 00:39:57,460 --> 00:39:54,920 when you do it and it works people's 968 00:39:59,260 --> 00:39:57,470 their brain start to melt because they 969 00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:59,270 there's no way can actually have an 970 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:02,000 enemy and this is the most awkward place 971 00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:04,609 for me to bring this up but i love the 972 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:06,380 stuff i saw of you debunking i don't 973 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:07,609 know what brand it is down in Australia 974 00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:09,049 but the hologram wrist bracelets or 975 00:40:12,609 --> 00:40:11,000 whatever the power balance stuff I would 976 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:12,619 love to do a whole scam school teaching 977 00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:14,210 the techniques because you got quite 978 00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:17,480 good at simulating the the the leverage 979 00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:19,849 studying kinesiology video I don't know 980 00:40:26,859 --> 00:40:22,030 if people have watched me do that on 981 00:40:28,270 --> 00:40:26,869 yeah I would love to actually get 982 00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:28,280 one-on-one and and learn that technique 983 00:40:31,569 --> 00:40:29,839 from you and do it as an episode of scam 984 00:40:35,049 --> 00:40:31,579 school because it's sort of like the 985 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:35,059 scam school has one very deliberate 986 00:40:41,799 --> 00:40:37,609 message and that's used tricks to get 987 00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:41,809 drunk for free right however within that 988 00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:43,849 we're able to just as Mythbusters is 989 00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:45,380 pretty much about stuff exploding 990 00:40:49,059 --> 00:40:47,270 they're able to sneak in some science 991 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:49,069 and some pro skeptic content in there as 992 00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:50,510 well and that's what I'd like to do is 993 00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:52,190 is every swap you know we've been able 994 00:40:55,150 --> 00:40:53,750 to do that we've talked about the work 995 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:55,160 of Elizabeth Loftus and about how 996 00:40:58,210 --> 00:40:56,630 memories can be malleable that kind of 997 00:41:00,460 --> 00:40:58,220 thing and I want to see if we could do 998 00:41:01,690 --> 00:41:00,470 that more with stuff like especially if 999 00:41:04,359 --> 00:41:01,700 it's a scam that they can pull on your 1000 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:04,369 friends where where you know we reframe 1001 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:05,690 it say that oh yeah by the way that's 1002 00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:07,730 all this power balance stuff works yeah 1003 00:41:13,089 --> 00:41:09,950 that's funny cuz dumb we had a tweet 1004 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:13,099 last week from tim minchin cuz he's seen 1005 00:41:17,230 --> 00:41:14,900 the video and he was in a sports store 1006 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:17,240 in london and somebody in london in the 1007 00:41:20,289 --> 00:41:19,010 sports store was asking about the power 1008 00:41:23,319 --> 00:41:20,299 balance and saying i want to buy this 1009 00:41:25,299 --> 00:41:23,329 and ask the assistant how it worked and 1010 00:41:27,609 --> 00:41:25,309 tim stepped in and explained it and said 1011 00:41:29,380 --> 00:41:27,619 hey here it doesn't okay i tried to 1012 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:29,390 Richard going I thought you'd be proud 1013 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:33,530 of me and that was asked we moment yeah 1014 00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:37,970 as the kids say the kids here oh it's a 1015 00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:39,740 happy G heads house of pancakes in the 1016 00:41:49,450 --> 00:41:47,350 he cut was kind enough one day to 1017 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:49,460 designate on his blog international dr 1018 00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:54,020 'he day ah that was fabulous now Brian 1019 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:55,310 one of the other things of course that 1020 00:41:59,230 --> 00:41:56,930 you're you're famous for not just doing 1021 00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,240 these online videos is visiting colleges 1022 00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,760 yes I meet part of what you do yeah and 1023 00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:03,200 actually that's my day job I mean I 1024 00:42:06,130 --> 00:42:04,790 spend most of the year touring over a 1025 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:06,140 you know a hundred to two hundred 1026 00:42:10,090 --> 00:42:08,210 colleges every year doing an hour and 1027 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:10,100 change bizarre magic show and stuff like 1028 00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:11,810 fire-eating escapes mind-reading was 1029 00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,430 very very flattered to get the chance to 1030 00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,960 perform last night here at dragoncon 1031 00:42:19,330 --> 00:42:17,119 which seem to be well received and 1032 00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:19,340 actually it was out of that touring that 1033 00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,790 I first crossed over into actively 1034 00:42:26,890 --> 00:42:25,040 promoting skepticism on campus because 1035 00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:26,900 these are obviously very impressionable 1036 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:28,790 youths where it's like that there's a 1037 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:30,650 reason that the credit cards worked so 1038 00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:32,660 hard to get these kids signed up at such 1039 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:33,830 a young age because they're willing to 1040 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:35,930 say yes to anything and so I found 1041 00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,490 myself after the stage show I do a 1042 00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,440 couple of mind reading things and after 1043 00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:40,640 the show people say what do you think 1044 00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:42,320 about this guy who is he sidekick do you 1045 00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:43,520 believe in this you believe in that and 1046 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:45,980 I found myself giving an impromptu 20 or 1047 00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:48,410 30 minute talk every show so eventually 1048 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:50,180 we actually made it into a lecture 1049 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:52,130 called scam Sasquatch the supernatural 1050 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:53,930 we're over the course of 90 minutes it's 1051 00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:56,060 sort of a greatest hits of skepticism 1052 00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:57,950 when we talk about as do the real 1053 00:43:01,890 --> 00:43:00,020 history of astrology the for effect uh 1054 00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:01,900 you know the importance of double-blind 1055 00:43:06,849 --> 00:43:04,460 testing and the malleability of memory 1056 00:43:08,830 --> 00:43:06,859 that kind of thing and in fact that was 1057 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:08,840 the first correspondence you and I had 1058 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:10,970 that's right i saw i saw that online I 1059 00:43:13,780 --> 00:43:12,350 thought he'd show online when I was 1060 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:13,790 really blown away and I wrote to him 1061 00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,730 saying he does a part of his show which 1062 00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:19,280 is a memory test yes which in and we do 1063 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:20,900 now on the mystery investigators and 1064 00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:22,010 have been doing it for a number of years 1065 00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:23,030 now it's one of the most successful 1066 00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:24,950 parts of our show where you implant 1067 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:27,470 false memories into into people we they 1068 00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:29,090 see a list of words and they try to 1069 00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:30,740 remember them in fact one of the other 1070 00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,060 members of the podcast dr. Chrissy 1071 00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:34,160 Wilson has even published papers about 1072 00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:35,720 this in conjunction with dr. Chris 1073 00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,700 French that's awesome and in fact over 1074 00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:39,440 the the research has gotten better now 1075 00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,060 we're now there are lists you can find 1076 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:43,040 out which are the most powerful list of 1077 00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:44,930 words to induce a false memory if you 1078 00:43:48,099 --> 00:43:45,980 want to see what you were talking about 1079 00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:48,109 we did I think it was a bryan vs 1080 00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:50,300 revision3 memory test was the episode of 1081 00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:51,980 scam school where we did it okay that 1082 00:43:54,810 --> 00:43:53,600 but here's what here's what I wanted to 1083 00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:54,820 thank you publicly for his 1084 00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:57,550 you were my first bridge to the entire 1085 00:44:00,930 --> 00:43:59,530 skeptic community you're the very first 1086 00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:00,940 person on the inside because i was out 1087 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:02,470 there doing my own thing I was so 1088 00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:03,730 flattered that you dug what I was up to 1089 00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:05,350 I just want to thank you for uh for 1090 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:12,160 letting that happen yeah it works both 1091 00:44:17,580 --> 00:44:14,890 ways because as I say when I saw that I 1092 00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:17,590 introduced you to free beer you did I 1093 00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,750 have a question I want to know about 1094 00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:21,520 this free beer business which it because 1095 00:44:25,590 --> 00:44:23,860 what you've not told me about this is 1096 00:44:27,860 --> 00:44:25,600 this something you were going to share 1097 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:27,870 with the restaurant is an alcoholic 1098 00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:30,610 gnarly escaping it all from so I am I am 1099 00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:33,670 but no seriously because I wrote do you 1100 00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:35,620 think oh maybe if I'm really nice here 1101 00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,030 let me use a part of that show in my 1102 00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:40,240 show and as I say that memory routine we 1103 00:44:45,810 --> 00:44:42,670 use it for school kids and it makes such 1104 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:45,820 an important point kids don't learn at 1105 00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:47,290 school that you can't trust your memory 1106 00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:49,150 what and that's the biggest thing is as 1107 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,430 an adult I was in my 30s before I 1108 00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:53,200 experienced that test and even when I 1109 00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:55,900 did it I I read an article I found it in 1110 00:44:59,370 --> 00:44:58,090 an article that said hey try this test 1111 00:45:01,050 --> 00:44:59,380 and it basically gave a bunch of words 1112 00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:01,060 it says write down as much as you can in 1113 00:45:04,110 --> 00:45:02,800 two minutes and I did it he says here's 1114 00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:04,120 another set of work write down as many 1115 00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:05,860 as you can remember for two minutes and 1116 00:45:10,650 --> 00:45:08,020 then I read the next paragraph and said 1117 00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:10,660 most people will falsely remember word a 1118 00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:12,220 in the first one and would be in the 1119 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:13,990 sick one and I remember thinking oh 1120 00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:15,850 that's a bummer it didn't happen for me 1121 00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:17,500 and then I looked at my list and sure 1122 00:45:22,590 --> 00:45:20,110 enough I had both of those stupid false 1123 00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:22,600 words in there and at that moment my 1124 00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:24,550 brain exploded because prior to that 1125 00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:26,740 moment I used to believe okay maybe I 1126 00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:28,990 don't remember everything but the stuff 1127 00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:31,870 I do remember did happen right and it 1128 00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:34,480 turns out that absolutely not and in 1129 00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:37,630 fact the part that specifically like all 1130 00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,680 of a sudden I thought about every 1131 00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:40,720 argument I got from my mom and dad where 1132 00:45:43,590 --> 00:45:41,950 they remember something happening one 1133 00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:43,600 way and they're so obvious to me that 1134 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:45,340 happened some of the other way and then 1135 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:46,930 I felt up every time I popped in a DVD 1136 00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:48,970 that I hadn't seen for a while and I 1137 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:50,830 would it would get to my favorite line 1138 00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:53,050 of the DVD and the actor would say the 1139 00:45:57,980 --> 00:45:55,100 line wrong you know 1140 00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,990 and also it fundamentally changed things 1141 00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,760 and now I don't get an arguments about a 1142 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:01,200 lot of this stuff it's like now when 1143 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:03,210 they say when they say you know when 1144 00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:05,250 they say you know this way this way I'm 1145 00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:06,750 always careful to qualify I was like 1146 00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:09,180 well the way I remember it is blank is 1147 00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,350 like but I'll be the first to remember 1148 00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:12,960 that memories valuable thing are you are 1149 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:14,520 you going to send any lately play the 1150 00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:16,530 game right now well I mean I guess we 1151 00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:19,800 could but for the sake of them for the 1152 00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,060 sake of this why don't we we've got a 1153 00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:23,040 minute to spare all right this is what 1154 00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,870 we do this is the test i got from brian 1155 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:26,880 this is exactly the same one we use in 1156 00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,130 our school shows and it works so well 1157 00:46:33,140 --> 00:46:31,560 you do too but this is one of them so 1158 00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:33,150 normally we ask people to write them 1159 00:46:36,110 --> 00:46:34,950 down but everybody in the audience if 1160 00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:36,120 you can remember the following words 1161 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:39,030 remember as many as you can mad fear 1162 00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:45,480 hate rage temper fury i er wrath happy 1163 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:51,960 fight hatred mean calm emotion in rage 1164 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:53,970 and if you're listening you can pause it 1165 00:46:58,070 --> 00:46:55,530 while you try to write down as many of 1166 00:47:02,260 --> 00:46:58,080 those as you remember or we could just 1167 00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:02,270 see here with 60 seconds of silence I 1168 00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:04,200 could fill in that minute with a 1169 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:05,670 question because I got the opportunity 1170 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:07,710 to see your show I do have a question 1171 00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:09,690 how do you manage to make your hair stay 1172 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:11,640 like that whilst pulling over a 1173 00:47:15,830 --> 00:47:13,410 straightjacket you know what actually in 1174 00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:15,840 the other performances all do stupid 1175 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:17,940 stuff like break a 30-pound concrete 1176 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:19,050 break over my head with a sledgehammer 1177 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:21,090 and the hair just keeps why are you 1178 00:47:27,310 --> 00:47:24,570 clapping for that he wants that he wants 1179 00:47:30,110 --> 00:47:27,320 anything not healthy for me to be doing 1180 00:47:32,060 --> 00:47:30,120 like a but the hair just keeps bouncing 1181 00:47:34,070 --> 00:47:32,070 back up because I use beeswax and some 1182 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:34,080 pomade it's a weird i've made a stupid 1183 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,210 video about it when it actually shows it 1184 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:38,160 but the funny part is people have to the 1185 00:47:41,090 --> 00:47:39,510 show will come up you'll be like oh I 1186 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:41,100 love your show your hair was the best 1187 00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:43,890 part and I'm like I hope the magic would 1188 00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,910 be the best part now ten seconds left 1189 00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:49,920 coming up to 10 seconds left remember 1190 00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:51,060 all those words that I ask you to 1191 00:47:55,310 --> 00:47:54,030 remember formulate them now in your mind 1192 00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:55,320 have another think if you've forgotten 1193 00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:57,780 one or two that's okay and we're coming 1194 00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:02,000 up two times almost up and time is up 1195 00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:04,200 and now we say to the kids in the 1196 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:06,300 audience depends up times up pens down 1197 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:08,130 now just just 1198 00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:10,170 after top of my head how many people 1199 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:12,150 remember the word I honestly how many 1200 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:14,130 people yeah how many people remember the 1201 00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:18,480 word angry yeah well the word angry 1202 00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:20,820 wasn't part of it at all yeah he wasn't 1203 00:48:25,310 --> 00:48:23,670 there now this and we do another one 1204 00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:25,320 where we have other words so we do two 1205 00:48:30,590 --> 00:48:28,950 in a row but the big point is that we 1206 00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:30,600 try to impress upon kids and this is 1207 00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,280 largely whoops thanks to Brian brushwood 1208 00:48:36,050 --> 00:48:34,800 is it's okay you know your mind can play 1209 00:48:37,610 --> 00:48:36,060 tricks on you and it doesn't mean 1210 00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:37,620 there's something wrong with you that's 1211 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:39,420 quite all right yeah and I tell you it's 1212 00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:40,890 one of the most liberating things I've 1213 00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:42,300 ever figured out about myself and if 1214 00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:44,070 this there's just a few things that I 1215 00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,230 wish I could impart to as many people as 1216 00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,240 possible and certainly the reliance on 1217 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:50,940 eyewitness testimony on what their 1218 00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:52,230 friends say they remember things 1219 00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,540 happening look we're all good people and 1220 00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:56,280 what we need to do is stop demonizing 1221 00:49:00,380 --> 00:48:58,680 people who are sucked into rural kind of 1222 00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:00,390 stuff what we need to do is realize that 1223 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:02,100 the rational thinking human beings that 1224 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:05,130 they just have the wrong set of beliefs 1225 00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:06,690 going into it or the wrong understanding 1226 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:08,520 of the world around them and if we can 1227 00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:10,170 educate them about the fact that 1228 00:49:14,810 --> 00:49:11,910 eyewitness testimony is not reliable 1229 00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:14,820 that testimony is general is no way to 1230 00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:17,190 make important decisions about what is 1231 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:19,230 it isn't science then I'll be happy and 1232 00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:22,650 and it's not as we impress upon the kids 1233 00:49:27,260 --> 00:49:25,020 again and again and again it's okay yes 1234 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:27,270 it's the way you work it's quite all 1235 00:49:30,620 --> 00:49:29,250 right you know people have a billion be 1236 00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:30,630 ashamed of yourself you shine if you 1237 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:32,040 can't remember everything and you must 1238 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:35,010 be stupid or something like that I have 1239 00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:37,050 a comment on that actually um and this 1240 00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:38,820 goes at week that I just received and I 1241 00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:40,470 think someone's asking a question here 1242 00:49:43,610 --> 00:49:42,270 and I think anyone in this room who 1243 00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,620 doesn't have the same question is lying 1244 00:49:49,850 --> 00:49:45,720 how long does it take to do the hair 1245 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:49,860 nine yeah as the video the video says 1246 00:49:52,940 --> 00:49:51,210 it's actually nine minutes long and 1247 00:49:55,070 --> 00:49:52,950 what's funny is once i put it up i can 1248 00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:55,080 sleep on it and like this morning you'd 1249 00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:56,460 fix like the two that are kind of 1250 00:50:01,100 --> 00:49:58,410 stragglers and you're like there uh but 1251 00:50:02,780 --> 00:50:01,110 but what's funny is it looks like i'm a 1252 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:02,790 weirdo who obsesses about his hair but 1253 00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:05,330 there's real a low maintenance promise 1254 00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:10,430 now what we'll do now is will 1255 00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:12,420 they're already cheering for it they 1256 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:13,619 know what's coming yeah they have a 1257 00:50:18,769 --> 00:50:14,910 feed-through that we didn't tell you 1258 00:50:20,299 --> 00:50:18,779 there what we do your brain will spend a 1259 00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:20,309 bit of time now if anybody in the 1260 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:22,380 audience has questions for Kylie myself 1261 00:50:27,289 --> 00:50:25,529 dr. Richie bryan oh bryan now's the time 1262 00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:27,299 questions about anything about the 1263 00:50:34,459 --> 00:50:29,880 podcast or what the Bryan's do feel free 1264 00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:34,469 and moving on with the restaurant we're 1265 00:50:39,140 --> 00:50:35,819 gonna see how much of this you can eat 1266 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:39,150 whatever small down and seriously anyone 1267 00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:40,890 stand up and just interrupt us while we 1268 00:50:46,759 --> 00:50:44,579 talk about Vegemite what the heck is it 1269 00:51:08,420 --> 00:50:46,769 do ya oh I want you to do this no 1270 00:51:24,089 --> 00:51:19,170 give him some water what's coming out 1271 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:24,099 his eye oh I couldn't do it i thought i 1272 00:51:32,789 --> 00:51:30,430 could what's funny is have a muddy i 1273 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:32,799 think i think i actually could enjoy 1274 00:51:38,579 --> 00:51:34,510 that because it's like um it's like 1275 00:51:41,309 --> 00:51:38,589 liquid beef bullion right yeah it's very 1276 00:51:43,950 --> 00:51:41,319 salty very very salty very yeah yeah I 1277 00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:43,960 it's not bad most people think it's 1278 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:46,029 something that goes into cars I i don't 1279 00:51:54,029 --> 00:51:48,130 know that i wasn't force fed on a public 1280 00:51:56,009 --> 00:51:54,039 podcast and and that's why the VEX is 1281 00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,019 the anti vexes employed security guard 1282 00:52:00,420 --> 00:51:58,720 by the ways i want to blame the fact 1283 00:52:02,279 --> 00:52:00,430 that you bastards took too long to ask a 1284 00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,289 question for that entire thing happening 1285 00:52:07,499 --> 00:52:05,440 right we have a yes actually we have a 1286 00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:07,509 question a little bit yes I mean I've 1287 00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:09,640 never heard of I've never tasted before 1288 00:52:18,059 --> 00:52:13,119 but my friend who visited Australia 1289 00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:18,069 tried vetted by that tried Vegemite and 1290 00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:19,660 he said is the most nasty thing you'd 1291 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:21,849 ever tasted and said he said you just 1292 00:52:26,609 --> 00:52:23,049 right because you might like it I'm like 1293 00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,619 why do you say that about me so it's not 1294 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:29,440 a very beefy salty aftertaste up now 1295 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:43,210 sponsored by craft so so do i take it 1296 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:45,410 that was you know I guess I am weird it 1297 00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:50,330 tastes like soy sauce Brian dining sets 1298 00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:52,940 ourselves yeah thank you it's all over 1299 00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:54,230 my fingers said you got a question are 1300 00:52:59,380 --> 00:52:56,420 you gonna go Eddie some Vegemite who 1301 00:53:06,839 --> 00:52:59,390 what's up what's up come on not not for 1302 00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:11,290 well as the um you said see a scam 1303 00:53:15,339 --> 00:53:13,700 school TV or whatever yes well the first 1304 00:53:18,339 --> 00:53:15,349 one that you said you said it's so quick 1305 00:53:20,770 --> 00:53:18,349 is like squiggly that showed I yeah my 1306 00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:20,780 name is Brian brushwood the last six 1307 00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,390 letters are SH would be are you sh t 00 1308 00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,000 d right so if you just go to SH wo OD 1309 00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:28,400 com at the time I registered the domain 1310 00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:29,990 it sounded brilliant because it's only 1311 00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:33,200 six letters one syllable surely people 1312 00:53:38,980 --> 00:53:35,960 can remember shwood it turns out not so 1313 00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,990 much so h wo OD or you can go to Brian 1314 00:53:44,170 --> 00:53:40,640 brushwood com I think that's a 1315 00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:44,180 commissioned artist bill next question 1316 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:45,470 please yeah I don't want to kill the 1317 00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:47,330 buzz but after hearing Ben rap or talk 1318 00:53:51,010 --> 00:53:49,070 about sex offenders the other night 1319 00:53:56,670 --> 00:53:51,020 probably can't kill it more than that 1320 00:54:01,390 --> 00:53:56,680 but I go on I'm interested you know as 1321 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:01,400 Australians how do you see skepticism in 1322 00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:03,410 America do you see differences I mean 1323 00:54:08,109 --> 00:54:05,990 calls in America sometimes I think we 1324 00:54:10,839 --> 00:54:08,119 feel overwhelmed by just the power of 1325 00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:10,849 religious fundamentalism and you know 1326 00:54:14,410 --> 00:54:12,950 irrational beliefs all over the place so 1327 00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,420 i don't know if it's the same and i'm 1328 00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:17,119 just curious as to you know in australia 1329 00:54:21,339 --> 00:54:18,830 do you have those same problems or is it 1330 00:54:25,570 --> 00:54:21,349 a more secular or more it's more secular 1331 00:54:30,799 --> 00:54:25,580 in australia and out this Vegemite man 1332 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:34,649 all right I'll serious question we have 1333 00:54:38,999 --> 00:54:37,209 our battle lines which we have drawn and 1334 00:54:40,769 --> 00:54:39,009 that's where we put out our time and 1335 00:54:42,269 --> 00:54:40,779 effort into it's largely to do with the 1336 00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:42,279 claims of alternative medicine because 1337 00:54:47,579 --> 00:54:43,900 that can really harm people especially 1338 00:54:49,319 --> 00:54:47,589 the anti-vaccination lobby then we it's 1339 00:54:50,969 --> 00:54:49,329 a very wide field of course but things 1340 00:54:52,620 --> 00:54:50,979 like psychic psychic powers all this 1341 00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:52,630 sort of thing educating kids as Carly 1342 00:54:59,749 --> 00:54:56,079 does very well and as speaking for the 1343 00:55:02,429 --> 00:54:59,759 Australian skeptics our aim is not at 1344 00:55:05,219 --> 00:55:02,439 religious claims as so Oh claims maybe 1345 00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:05,229 but not a religious religion as such 1346 00:55:09,419 --> 00:55:07,209 it's then we're just spreading ourselves 1347 00:55:10,649 --> 00:55:09,429 too thin i think i should also add to 1348 00:55:12,779 --> 00:55:10,659 that you might have got the impression 1349 00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,789 by the fact that i was just blogging in 1350 00:55:17,099 --> 00:55:14,799 merrill dories lecture that I somehow 1351 00:55:19,049 --> 00:55:17,109 managed to shut it down the end of the 1352 00:55:22,589 --> 00:55:19,059 story i'll just to be perfectly clear i 1353 00:55:24,779 --> 00:55:22,599 got that out in my blog and it was about 1354 00:55:27,449 --> 00:55:24,789 a month later that a local hospital ran 1355 00:55:29,489 --> 00:55:27,459 an information session which was very 1356 00:55:30,929 --> 00:55:29,499 well attended and i attended that as 1357 00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:30,939 well and i blog that however they did 1358 00:55:34,709 --> 00:55:32,529 not have security guards out for me that 1359 00:55:35,969 --> 00:55:34,719 time so i guess it's just malodor he has 1360 00:55:38,729 --> 00:55:35,979 a problem with many attending live 1361 00:55:43,049 --> 00:55:38,739 lectures so i do not know whether or not 1362 00:55:45,149 --> 00:55:43,059 it was our effort or my blog entry or or 1363 00:55:47,219 --> 00:55:45,159 the the continuing activism that we do 1364 00:55:48,299 --> 00:55:47,229 that helped the next thing that happened 1365 00:55:49,949 --> 00:55:48,309 you see Meryl door he thought she had 1366 00:55:51,949 --> 00:55:49,959 been so successful that she returned for 1367 00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:51,959 a second lecture and I turned up again 1368 00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:55,390 it was about a third of the people from 1369 00:56:02,159 --> 00:55:58,619 last time and most of them walked out 1370 00:56:03,539 --> 00:56:02,169 and about the question time now yeah we 1371 00:56:04,529 --> 00:56:03,549 can't really take credit for that but we 1372 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:04,539 like to think that this is something 1373 00:56:08,189 --> 00:56:06,249 could continue to contribute to and we 1374 00:56:09,929 --> 00:56:08,199 certainly contacted the hospital and got 1375 00:56:12,179 --> 00:56:09,939 to know more people that way and it's an 1376 00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:12,189 ongoing thing we will we will do as much 1377 00:56:15,959 --> 00:56:14,049 as we can and continue to question 1378 00:56:17,489 --> 00:56:15,969 ourselves and our methods in order to 1379 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:17,499 see we can improve but broadly speaking 1380 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:20,650 I think very generally yeah we get it we 1381 00:56:25,739 --> 00:56:23,049 get the same sort of New Age stuff and 1382 00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:25,749 magical claims we don't have nearly as 1383 00:56:30,059 --> 00:56:27,849 much of a problem with religion as you 1384 00:56:31,649 --> 00:56:30,069 guys do we don't we don't yes because we 1385 00:56:33,419 --> 00:56:31,659 have all that and more and I mean and 1386 00:56:36,049 --> 00:56:33,429 you know if you're listening to the 1387 00:56:37,579 --> 00:56:36,059 radio now in Georgia their political can 1388 00:56:39,380 --> 00:56:37,589 you know political ads are running but 1389 00:56:41,509 --> 00:56:39,390 it's just such a problem now with 1390 00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:41,519 politics i think you know and the I 1391 00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,099 think disproportionate influence the 1392 00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:46,559 right wing has yes okay thank you thank 1393 00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,329 you thank you thank you for your 1394 00:56:53,449 --> 00:56:51,119 question Brian I never heard of you 1395 00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:53,459 before last night good I had a great 1396 00:56:56,689 --> 00:56:55,529 time good definitely want to get all 1397 00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,699 your stuff I'm going to be looking up 1398 00:57:02,359 --> 00:56:58,319 all everything you've done so far 1399 00:57:04,249 --> 00:57:02,369 awesome also I have one Australia's in 1400 00:57:06,859 --> 00:57:04,259 the Asian sphere so I was wondering if 1401 00:57:09,979 --> 00:57:06,869 there was any brands of like Asian whoo 1402 00:57:13,579 --> 00:57:09,989 because I know all of China no there's 1403 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:13,589 no Lou in Asia you know this is actually 1404 00:57:19,819 --> 00:57:16,049 part of my research is actually there is 1405 00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,829 where they just fill it w you that is 1406 00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:22,079 big and that has bled into we haven't 1407 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:24,390 there's multiple Chinatown's in New York 1408 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:25,890 and there's chinese medicine so we have 1409 00:57:30,829 --> 00:57:28,170 it but it's contained within the Chinese 1410 00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:30,839 community superstition x yeah my mind 1411 00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:33,119 master's thesis in fact we change one of 1412 00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:34,859 the questions in order to include Asian 1413 00:57:38,449 --> 00:57:36,209 superstitions and if you want to contact 1414 00:57:40,459 --> 00:57:38,459 me in order to get more detailed at what 1415 00:57:41,959 --> 00:57:40,469 I and myself and dr. Martin bridge 1416 00:57:43,489 --> 00:57:41,969 stocker Griffith University learned 1417 00:57:45,769 --> 00:57:43,499 thanks to the funding of the Australian 1418 00:57:46,999 --> 00:57:45,779 skeptics about superstition in Australia 1419 00:57:48,919 --> 00:57:47,009 I can certainly send you a copy because 1420 00:57:50,509 --> 00:57:48,929 that cultural factors definitely 1421 00:57:52,999 --> 00:57:50,519 influenced my week my friends of 1422 00:57:54,949 --> 00:57:53,009 Filipino and he actually and for that 1423 00:57:57,979 --> 00:57:54,959 culture he actually said he got sick as 1424 00:58:00,529 --> 00:57:57,989 a kid they went to the shaman yeah and 1425 00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,539 they did a thing and they poured oil wax 1426 00:58:05,179 --> 00:58:02,880 over into water sighting yet I've been 1427 00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:05,189 to Japan for example and seen all sorts 1428 00:58:08,209 --> 00:58:06,839 factors we've got two minutes left on 1429 00:58:09,979 --> 00:58:08,219 the clock just no sorry one more 1430 00:58:11,539 --> 00:58:09,989 question I'm so sorry service there a 1431 00:58:17,089 --> 00:58:11,549 guy who's just joined you might that 1432 00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:17,099 doesn't matter my man oh no everyone 1433 00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:19,079 little question may I thought I live up 1434 00:58:22,099 --> 00:58:20,400 and go to school nearby the Georgia 1435 00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:22,109 Guidestones like adventure and as you 1436 00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:24,329 said it's it's a hot spot for skeptics 1437 00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:25,859 and mystics alike yeah but I never heard 1438 00:58:30,469 --> 00:58:27,569 of its the skyline that you were talking 1439 00:58:32,269 --> 00:58:30,479 about before what is it and what is what 1440 00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:32,279 do you suppose is related to the guide 1441 00:58:35,809 --> 00:58:34,140 stones the queries everything kept trail 1442 00:58:37,429 --> 00:58:35,819 yeah I've never heard of that before I 1443 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:37,439 thought I don't worry it's just waste 1444 00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:42,020 well we're not officially allowed to 1445 00:58:46,850 --> 00:58:45,000 tell you however it's a vapor trail from 1446 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,860 an aircraft that's it that's it well 1447 00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:48,480 that's it's basically it comes from the 1448 00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,990 conspiracy theory that says that 1449 00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:53,040 contrails that are left behind when 1450 00:58:57,590 --> 00:58:54,900 planes pass over the sky you'll see that 1451 00:59:00,380 --> 00:58:57,600 trail of sort of condensation that's a 1452 00:59:01,610 --> 00:59:00,390 contrail but some conspiracy theorists 1453 00:59:03,350 --> 00:59:01,620 believe that's what's known as a chem 1454 00:59:07,550 --> 00:59:03,360 trail which is that planes are spraying 1455 00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,560 my little can draw my control chips and 1456 00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:09,540 chemicals out of the back of planes and 1457 00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:15,000 I thank you on Vegemite not necessarily 1458 00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:17,940 related to the guide stones opportunist 1459 00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:21,140 ence that it's also the crazy people 1460 00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:24,900 work you know yeah thank you very much 1461 00:59:30,590 --> 00:59:29,220 for your question will happen sadly I'm 1462 00:59:33,230 --> 00:59:30,600 having that time phone ladies and 1463 00:59:35,660 --> 00:59:33,240 gentlemen like a wrap up the show thank 1464 00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:35,670 you for coming along to see the skeptic 1465 00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:37,230 zone live we love doing the show week 1466 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:42,300 after week after week and I'd like to 1467 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:50,090 Holly awaken people run to visit your 1468 01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:52,530 podcast is that our token skeptic dot 1469 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:00,720 org dr. AG dr. Rachel Dunlop Vegemite 1470 01:00:09,850 --> 01:00:02,130 man in the audience is doing this for 1471 01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:09,860 dr. Brian brushwood ladies do 1472 01:00:24,130 --> 01:00:16,400 hey and from scribd com the bushranger 1473 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:24,140 himself Ryan Dunning so a big thank you 1474 01:00:27,970 --> 01:00:25,730 to everyone for coming along a big thank 1475 01:00:29,710 --> 01:00:27,980 you to the organizers here at Dragon Con 1476 01:00:32,020 --> 01:00:29,720 this is our third year we look forward 1477 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:32,030 to being here same time same Channel 1478 01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:34,250 next year at this time we'll be racking 1479 01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:36,560 up another year of the skeptics own 1480 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:39,020 podcast but until then this is Richard 1481 01:00:58,769 --> 01:00:40,730 Saunders signing off from Atlanta 1482 01:01:08,099 --> 01:01:04,890 hi I'm Aaron and welcome to my world 1483 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:08,109 each episode I talk about a new 1484 01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:12,170 dinosaurs episodes are short but packed 1485 01:01:19,390 --> 01:01:16,160 with fun and cool information 1486 01:01:23,099 --> 01:01:19,400 by kids for kids 1487 01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:23,109 Aaron's world you'll find me on iTunes 1488 01:01:41,489 --> 01:01:39,719 Richard there are a lot of universes out 1489 01:01:43,769 --> 01:01:41,499 there a lot of parallel universes a lot 1490 01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:43,779 of multiverses isn't it good to be in 1491 01:01:48,359 --> 01:01:46,150 this one if there's this is the the 1492 01:01:49,650 --> 01:01:48,369 skeptics own universe that's why it's 1493 01:01:51,989 --> 01:01:49,660 the one do you think there are other 1494 01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:51,999 skeptics owns and other universes with 1495 01:01:59,249 --> 01:01:54,609 other Stefan's and other Richards I I I 1496 01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:59,259 shudder to I certainly hope not if they 1497 01:02:02,339 --> 01:02:00,400 are they probably much better host than 1498 01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:02,349 us probably are yeah well what a great 1499 01:02:07,439 --> 01:02:04,420 show again well yeah wasn't that fun 1500 01:02:09,089 --> 01:02:07,449 alive we had such a blast to Atlanta 1501 01:02:11,069 --> 01:02:09,099 doing that that was so much and i 1502 01:02:12,809 --> 01:02:11,079 misdoubt again asked him that's terrible 1503 01:02:14,969 --> 01:02:12,819 thanks to our guests on the panel there 1504 01:02:18,059 --> 01:02:14,979 we really appreciate you taking part in 1505 01:02:19,949 --> 01:02:18,069 ha dragoncon what a laugh it is uh it's 1506 01:02:22,370 --> 01:02:19,959 uh pees everywhere she looks it 1507 01:02:26,099 --> 01:02:22,380 certainly doesn't drag on does it oh 1508 01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:26,109 good Oh Stefan sorry about that there's 1509 01:02:30,689 --> 01:02:27,910 no sorry but thanks for supporting us 1510 01:02:32,609 --> 01:02:30,699 for a hundred episodes thank you to all 1511 01:02:34,499 --> 01:02:32,619 those people sending in messages of 1512 01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,509 congratulations we really appreciate 1513 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:36,880 that thanks so much they'd said and 1514 01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:38,890 we've had a lot of success actually 1515 01:02:42,959 --> 01:02:41,140 we've helped create a lot of things dr. 1516 01:02:45,059 --> 01:02:42,969 ray cheese worked very hard especially 1517 01:02:47,009 --> 01:02:45,069 the anti-vaxxers a lot of people find 1518 01:02:48,779 --> 01:02:47,019 out about that through dr. AG yeah it's 1519 01:02:50,849 --> 01:02:48,789 surprising you know it really is a 1520 01:02:53,130 --> 01:02:50,859 movement that that has just taken hold 1521 01:02:55,229 --> 01:02:53,140 in the last couple of years almost 1522 01:02:57,359 --> 01:02:55,239 exclusively because of us nobody else as 1523 01:02:59,489 --> 01:02:57,369 it's just us just us have created this 1524 01:03:00,839 --> 01:02:59,499 massive movement I just kidding now it's 1525 01:03:02,910 --> 01:03:00,849 we've been part of something out of 1526 01:03:04,229 --> 01:03:02,920 something and it's sort of like the 1527 01:03:06,089 --> 01:03:04,239 world's waking up a little bit and 1528 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:06,099 they're actually seeing rising up to all 1529 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:08,650 the again the bull dust well now the big 1530 01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:11,170 the big countdowns over to our show 100 1531 01:03:18,269 --> 01:03:14,049 cuz this is it and the big countdown is 1532 01:03:20,699 --> 01:03:18,279 now on till ah tam australia oh oh oh 1533 01:03:23,069 --> 01:03:20,709 yes that's got to be huge so that's just 1534 01:03:25,499 --> 01:03:23,079 a little over two months away end of 1535 01:03:28,349 --> 01:03:25,509 november and isn't it correct me if i'm 1536 01:03:29,999 --> 01:03:28,359 wrong the venue for tam australia isn't 1537 01:03:32,370 --> 01:03:30,009 it a bit of a freaky venue is the 1538 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:32,380 Masonic Lodge it's them it's a sydney 1539 01:03:36,269 --> 01:03:35,049 Masonic Lodge there's quite nice yeah if 1540 01:03:38,370 --> 01:03:36,279 there was a place for a bunch of 1541 01:03:40,019 --> 01:03:38,380 skeptics to get together that's gotta be 1542 01:03:42,329 --> 01:03:40,029 it it's going to be something special 1543 01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:42,339 that's variously going to be vibrating 1544 01:03:45,929 --> 01:03:43,839 all kinds of strange way we hope so 1545 01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:45,939 obviously we got the camera ready and 1546 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:47,380 everything we've got the camera ready by 1547 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:48,290 the way 1548 01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:50,330 Lucas the camera still work it's still 1549 01:03:54,250 --> 01:03:52,790 yes it are you waiting to see some of 1550 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:54,260 the videos i shot in Dragon Con with 1551 01:03:59,410 --> 01:03:56,690 this wonderful camera we got from lucas 1552 01:04:01,450 --> 01:03:59,420 r & l yes thanks Lucas and uh thanks 1553 01:04:03,250 --> 01:04:01,460 Richard for another awesome episode and 1554 01:04:09,670 --> 01:04:03,260 we'll see you for the next hundred let's 1555 01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:09,680 do it alright another hundred you've 1556 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:12,110 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 1557 01:04:19,180 --> 01:04:16,730 our website at wwc a petting zoo TV for 1558 01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:19,190 comments contacts and extra video 1559 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:33,000 she's so